Beware of Hyper-Grace: Andrew Farley and Jeremy White

Continuing in this look at “Hyper grace”, let’s consider two pastors and writers that perpetuate the hyper-grace view similar to Joseph Prince. These guys may not be quite as well-known but their teaching has influenced many believers. Andrew Farley is the writer of the book “The Naked Gospel” and Jeremy White has written the book “The Gospel Uncut: Learning to Rest in the Grace of God”. Both men espouse very close to the same views regarding this topic.

I bring these two up specifically as a warning for those that may be inclined to take teaching from them.  Their message is mixed and we should know what happens when one mixes what sounds like grace with performance.

That is bad enough but it doesn’t just stop there because with these two there are other doctrinal issues as well.

I have taken some telling comments for examination from each of their two books. I will give each quote followed by my thoughts. So let’s consider Andrew Farley first.

He says, “So I John 1:9 is an invitation to become a Christian.” P 152 The Naked Gospel

(If this is your conclusion about I John 1:9 then something is off.  John was writing I John to believers that, many of which, were seduced by the errors of Gnosticism. Part of that error led to them to thinking that they no longer sinned. However, I John was written that these believers might have fullness of joy in their Christian walk. I John deals quite heavily with abiding in Christ. The tests in I John are not to see whether a person is saved but whether a believer is walking in fellowship and abiding in Christ. We have to be clear that it is possible for believers not to abide. Why else tell a believer to abide? Take I John 2:6 for example: 1Jn 2:6  He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked. So a hyper-gracer that equates abiding with salvation then makes this verse mean that if you don’t walk as Christ walked then you are not saved. Likewise if you hate your brother then it would stand to reason that you are not saved. And it follows really just like calvinistic “logic” concerning I John.)

“In the Scriptures, fellowship with God is not described in this way. Instead, a person is either in fellowship with God and therefore saved, or out of fellowship and therefore lost.” P156

(This equation does not square with the rest of scripture. Be sure that fellowship does not equal salvation itself. Let’s consider Ephesians chapter 5.

Eph 5:8  For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
Eph 5:9  (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)
Eph 5:10  Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
Eph 5:11  And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
Eph 5:12  For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
Eph 5:13  But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.

We are told to walk as the people we are. If we are children of light, then we should walk that way. Why is this instruction given then to believers if it is automatic? Also it goes on to say that we (as believers) should not have fellowship with unfruitful works of darkness. They are shameful and bring shame to our Savior. But the light can bring cleansing because the errors can be exposed. Also, how can a believer have ongoing practical fellowship in their Christian walk with God if they are at the same time have fellowship with unfruitful works of darkness??)

“But this is to ignore the work of Jesus, who on the cross cried out, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” (Matthew 27:46). Jesus was out of fellowship with his Father so we would never be.” P 157

(Take note here that Farely is arguing that Jesus lost fellowship with the Father but the Bible actually says no such thing. That actually amounts to what some call the Jesus Died Spiritually view and it destroys the atonement making Christ a sinner not just a sacrificial spotless lamb. Forsaken there has no indication of including being abandoned in fellowship. Just like David who first said the statement in Psalm 22, Jesus felt physically abandoned in physical pain and emotional suffering.)

“In reality, the term rewards does not appear anywhere in the New Testament. The apostle Paul speaks of a “reward” (singular, not plural) or a “prize” in the context of running a race and reaching the end.” P168

(Farley tries to excuse away the concept of rewards in heaven for believers at the Bema Seat. Talk about taking away positive motivation to serve. Sure we should serve out of love but we can also do so knowing that there is eternal blessing and benefits of it.)

Speaking of Jesus: “Our new spiritual life is actually his life.” P176

(Take this and go back to abide or walking or fellowship. He is saying that Christ actually lives his life through us. The Bible does not say this exactly. But it is a cover for them if challenged on why a believer should walk as Christ walked if they are saved. Of course in that case they should walk almost perfectly. Talk about the fear and depression that can ensue once you realize you don’t walk nearly as perfectly as Jesus walked. Maybe Jesus is not walking through me. Maybe I am not saved. See the problem? We aren’t puppets for Jesus. We still have a will. Calvinism likewise makes us puppets.)

“James 2 communicates that a personal decision is necessary in order for true salvation to occur. Those who appear to fall away from belief in Jesus are those who merely associated themselves with certain doctrines for whatever reason.” P198

(This is incorrect. Yes a person needs to decide to trust Christ but you cannot scripturally say that those that fall away are not saved period. James 2 isn’t talking about a salvation decision. It is instruction for disobedient believers.

What happened with the Hebrew believers in Heb 10? What happened to the Galatians? Why does Timothy say that the Lord remains faithful even if we do not?)

Now let’s see how Jeremy White mirrors these errors.

“It is the believing and receiving of this saving gift of grace that separates real Christianity from any other belief system in the world. It was this grace that Luther and the Reformers so passionately attempted to articulate and defend.”

White, Jeremy. The Gospel Uncut: Learning to Rest in the Grace of God. . WestBowPress. Kindle Edition.

(Luther did not understand grace as much as he should have. Just read Bondage of the Will or better yet spare yourself the misery and look up some quotes from it.  It is curious that he sings the praises of the reformers of the Catholic church. Does reformed Catholicism equal grace? Didn’t they get some much wrong themselves?)


“One of the admitted weaknesses of the early “free grace” movement I referred to in the first part of this book was simply that some proponents seemed to imply that a person could claim to receive Christ by faith and then walk away from Him or even completely reject Him without ever casting doubt upon the legitimacy of their salvation. I want to be clear that I am not arguing for such a position in this book. Every believer in Jesus will bear some kind of spiritual fruit, whether it is obviously recognizable or not. On this issue I agree with the free-grace proponent Dr. Joseph Dillow, who said Those who have been born again will always give some evidence of growth in grace and spiritual interest and commitment. A man who claims he is a Christian and yet never manifests any change at all has no reason to believe he is justified.55 Another leading proponent of the free grace position with whom I agree on this point, Dr. Charles Ryrie, also affirms every Christian will bear spiritual fruit. Somewhere, sometime, somehow. Otherwise that person is not a believer. Every born-again individual will be fruitful. Not to be fruitful is to be faithless, without faith, and therefore without salvation.56″

(I bolded sections of this statement that are clearly Lordship in nature. Basically he is saying that salvation is not by grace but by works. there can be no mistake when he says every believer in Jesus will bear some kind of fruit. Remember that a believer is justified in Christ regardless of performance. He is justified regardless if people can see “fruit”. Why because it is not about fruit or performance. It is about Christ and His imputed righteousness. Hmm…not to be fruitful is to be faithless… So if there is not fruitfulness there is not salvation… Doesn’t that sound like the opposite of grace. I wouldn’t be surprised if that quote had come from John MacArthur or Paul Washer. Oh but these guys aren’t like them… they are hyper grace… That’s nice but they are saying the same thing really. Please see my posts on MacArthur and Washer.)

“If I am already totally forgiven for my past, present and future sins by the blood of Christ – then why do I need to confess my sin in order to receive forgiveness?”

White, Jeremy. The Gospel Uncut: Learning to Rest in the Grace of God. (p. 115).

(This is a classic hyper-grace false question because it confuses positional truth with practical onging sanctification principles right within the question itself.)

“Do you know any Bible-believing Christian who claims he or she is sinless?”

White, Jeremy. The Gospel Uncut: Learning to Rest in the Grace of God. (p. 118).

(Yes, actually people have told me that before. One Arminian man told me that basically didn’t sin anymore. Ray Comfort thinks he doesn’t sin any longer…)

“Becoming a Christian begins by the admission of one’s personal sinfulness and that through confession of that sinfulness, one can receive by faith the God who is faithful and just to forgive and cleanse them of all unrighteousness!”

White, Jeremy. The Gospel Uncut: Learning to Rest in the Grace of God. (p. 119).

(Is that the gospel? Are we saved by confession of sin or by grace through faith in Christ based on the gospel? They reason , well we have to agree with God that we are sinners. Sure, unbelievers need to recognize that they are sinners but that is simply so that they can see their need and trust Christ for the remedy. This verse is written to believers anyway. Please see also my Faith Alone stand alone page for an extensive verse list on this.)

“1 John 1:9 is not intended to condone a one-by-one tallying of our sins so that we can confess them in order to find ongoing forgiveness or maintain “closeness” with God. When we have placed our faith in the once-for-all sacrifice of Jesus Christ, we are totally and eternally forgiven. Because of the uncut gospel of grace, we are irreversibly close to God regardless of our behavioral performance.”

 (Once again he continues with confusion as to the removal of eternal damnation and the christian walk. If we refuse to agree with God about our sin when the Word reveals it and the Holy SPirit works through that Word then we are resisting God’s onging work in us of sanctification and cleansing.)

“So how is it, then, that we imagine somehow that God the Father doesn’t remember our sins anymore, but God the Holy Spirit does – and that it is His job to keep bringing that sin to our attention?”

White, Jeremy. The Gospel Uncut: Learning to Rest in the Grace of God. (p. 123).

(Yes, as I just stated. The Word reveals the truth and the Spirit works through the Word bringing that truth home to us as believers. This quote is irresponsible. The Word of God is mirror of sorts.)

“It is apparent in the New Testament that the battle we face with our flesh is essentially a battle against the habits and coping mechanisms which bring us momentary pleasure or relief, apart from dependence upon Jesus.”

White, Jeremy. The Gospel Uncut: Learning to Rest in the Grace of God. (p. 163).

(This is part of White’s attempt at one naturism. It is similar to MacArthur’s in that he relegates struggles with sin in the flesh to habits and coping mechanisms in the flesh. However the Bible tells believers to put off the old man and put on the new man in their Christian walk. Now why would believers be told to put on the new man if they are already new creatures? Hyper-grace cannot explain that. They don’t / won’t understand it.)


So let’s tally up the problems. (And there are more btw.) In no particular order:

1) Backdoor lordship performance requirement for salvation to be authentic. (This nullifies grace.)

2) Jesus Died Spiritually / was out of fellowship with the Father while on the cross. (This error nullifies and invalidates the object of our faith.)

3) Virtually eliminating the concept of rewards for the believer.

4) Destroying the concept of ongoing fellowship in our walk as believers

5) Adding conditions such as confession of sins to the gospel method of receiving eternal life

6) Misunderstanding Old Covenant salvation

7) Misunderstanding the Christian life (ie Christ lives His very life through us.)

8) A John MacArthur style modified one nature position. (The flesh is just old habits / coping mechanisms)

9) A confusion of practical and positional forgiveness.

10) Fellowship = salvation

There is more than enough here to recommend marking and avoiding these teachers and don’t stand for anyone recommending them to you.

Jim Floyd

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32 Responses to Beware of Hyper-Grace: Andrew Farley and Jeremy White

  1. Nadinemarie Warner says:

    Thank you Jim

    Sent from my iPhone


  2. Nadine Warner says:

    Thank you for this clear teaching !

  3. Tara says:

    Wow….just about 4 to 6 months ago I started listening to Farley….something was off & a “nagging” that he was teaching “Calvinistic doctrines”!!! At the same time I started listening to Mike Kapler & Joel Breuseke youtube channel “Graceroots” & think I may have heard the same things…particularly in one vid where Kapler was quoting Ephesians 2:8-9 & said that it was the “faith” that was the gift not the Salvation.

    I am really struggling with the fact that His blood has cleansed us from all unrighteousness & at the same time I hear Christians say we sin DAILY…which is true, & that God will discipline his own children & you will know when He does, then they treat what that discipline was like super top secret info that cannot be shared!

    When I look at myself…….I should be black & blue daily!!!

    I know I have placed my trust in the finished work of Christ & He is my righteousness.

    Thank you for both posts on Prince, Farley & White warning us!!

    God bless

  4. jimfloyd12 says:

    Thanks Tara,

    You are welcome.

    Yes, if anyone says faith is the gift as opposed to salvation then they have changed the gospel.

    As for our daily sins, remember that God loves us as a patient and forbearing heavenly Father. Our actions can hurt him but any chastisement is done out of love for our good. Not out of vindictiveness. For some people it technically could get to the point where God bring them home early but this is again for the best both for that believer and for Christ’s reputation. But these are extremes. Many times believers respond properly to the Holy Spirit through the word and deal with sin issues as they arise. That is really the point. Live your life free from law bondage and fear of a taskmaster god and instead walk in love with our risen Lord who has provided us eternal salvation and security.

    Jim Floyd

  5. Tara says:

    Thank you for the encouraging words. Our Savior is teaching me with a patience & gentleness that brings tears to my eyes! It really is an all out war for truth & we who have believed are under attack from all sides!! I am learning to listen to the still small voice when something seems off with a “teacher” & prayerful that it isn’t my “prideful” desire to be right….if that makes since! I am amazed at His faithfulness, always reminding me with Scripture that He is able to save FOREVER those who come to the Father through Him!! Truly amazing grace!!

  6. Mark says:

    Andrew Farley, Paul Washer, John MacArthur, David Jeremiah, Dave Hunt and many others are Calvinists that believe in Once Saved Always Saved better known as Eternal Security. This is a view that contradicts Scripture and it comes from a Gnostic Buddhist Pagan named Augustine. Thus the term Manichaeism which is religious or philosophical dualism is where Calvinism origins has stemmed from.

  7. jimfloyd12 says:


    Calvinists do not really believe in eternal security. The believe in perseverance of the saints. Yes, Calvinism including perseverance of the saints, possibly has roots in Manichaeism and or Catholicism. Augustine blended and borrowed from various influenced such as those. But it has nothing to do with Biblical eternal security. If there is not eternal security then there is no Savior that provided the eternal solution to your eternal problem. But Biblically.. there is such a Savior.

  8. Curtis M says:

    Hi Mark
    Eternal security is the gospel … Please provide chapter and verse of contradiction you speak of ..
    a soil must be perfect to enter heaven rev 21:27

    Questions to ponder
    Who then can be saved? 
    saved from what ?
    saved to what ?

    what is Jesus saying here mat 19:26
    With men this is impossible
    what is impossible for man to do ?

    Mat 19:25  When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? 
    Mat 19:26  But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible. 

  9. Philip says:

    And grace to you Jim! I am assuming you are all in with John MacArthur!
    “I just want to be perfect” as the website for Grace Community Church has stated next to Johns picture.
    Calvin is so amazing and got everything right! I have to believe you are all in Calvinist? Correct?
    We need more MacArthurs in the world!
    Accuse Christians they aren’t.
    Boast how perfect John MacArthur is or John Calvin
    Condemn Christians
    Judge Christians
    Who do not act like you
    Believe like you
    Talk like you
    Think like you
    Walk like you
    BTW! Ephesians 2:20 is clear concise of who is the Savior for Andrew!!!

  10. Philip says:

    How did the Roman soldier go to Heaven? Was Jesus already crucified?
    Jesus said Your Faith …
    What about the thief on the cross?
    What about the woman at the well?
    Hebrews 11:6????
    Faith Hope Love …

  11. jimfloyd12 says:


    How is anyone saved? It is by grace through faith. No works or merit of our own can help.

  12. jimfloyd12 says:


    I gather that you are new here. Please see my other posts exposing John MacArthur’s lordship salvation. My blog uphold grace and rejects calvinism outright. The problem with hyper grace is that it misses the mark as well for the reasons given.

    Jim Floyd

  13. Gary West says:

    Your comments regarding grace and salvation not producing fruits is on line with the cheap easy believism grace abuse running rampant in the church today. Paul said “examine yourselves to see if you are really in the faith”. If there is no fruit one should be concerned about the legitamacy of their salvation. We are saved by grace and if it is real there will be new desires to change out of gratitude for what Christ has done.

  14. jimfloyd12 says:


    Your reaction is typical of a lordship viewpoint but please consider grace. What I am teaching concerning grace is not rampant in churches. It is not taught much at all. Most churches I come across either teach some form of works salvation or they trample on grace bad enough that they might as well be teaching works salvation.

    First, there is no such thing as cheap or costly grace. Grace is free. It means unmerited, otherwise it isn’t grace. Cheap grace still technically isn’t grace. If man merits anything it isn’t grace, it is works. Receiving salvation by faith is the only non-meritorious thing a person can do to receive eternal life. Remember that God paid the sin debt in full. He paid it all and there is nothing therefore left for anyone to pay. So it is free, not cheap. Second, no one is saying grace is cheap because for Christ it cost him His physical life as He willingly suffered extreme emotional and physical agony for us in death.

    Paul did tell believers to examine themselves but we should be careful not to twist that out of context. Those believers had questioned his authority and authenticity, but he throws it back on them.

    2 Cor 13:3 Since ye seek a proof of Christ speaking in me, which to you-ward is not weak, but is mighty in you.

    He was not doubting that they were saved and not saying to them to check themselves by works inspection, but saying to them rhetorically, see if you be in the faith.

    2Co 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

    Didn’t they know they had Christ (the object of faith) dwelling in them? Of course they did. That is their answer to Christ speaking through Paul. Paul likewise had Christ as in they were all believers in Christ.

    If you follow down in the text he says that he trusts that they will also remember that they have believed in the same Savior.

    2Co 13:6 But I trust that ye shall know that we are not reprobates.

    You said, “If there is no fruit one should be concerned about the legitamacy of their salvation.”

    This is not what the Bible says anywhere though it is a very popular and oft voiced misconception. For one it is too vague and besides that the legitimacy of salvation is tied only to the object of faith, not performance after receiving salvation by faith. Either you are graciously covered in Christ’s blood with His imputed righteousness or you are not. Those that spit upon grace have their warnings in scripture not to offend a Holy God. God especially dislikes it when a person believes yet is fooled into going back to law keeping for salvation / sanctification. Think of the Galatians or the Hebrews.

    The Bible says that He remains faithful even if we are not always.

    You said, “We are saved by grace and if it is real there will be new desires to change out of gratitude for what Christ has done.”

    If anyone is saved it is by grace (unmerited). It is always real if Christ is the object. But be careful with that last part. If we 1) know that we are saved and 2) reflect upon it, we then can indeed be motivated to change out of gratitude. This is living by grace. But remember, lordship salvation and or Calvinism makes it virtually impossible to know if you are saved 100 percent. It always fluctuates with performance. And since that is the case, it is hard many times to reflect upon your salvation when you are unsettled. It is the rollercoaster ride Christianity perpetuated in so many LS churches across the world. It really is an active denial of grace and runs against grace in the operation of the Christian walk. For grace to work it has to be unmerited. It has to be from the One object of faith. It cannot be mixed with meritorious works. There also has to be permanence of position in Christ. From that fixed standing, one can finally know they have been redeemed and finally actually live free to do what God desires. But they need to abide and grow by choice. God gets glory when we choose right and is grieved when we don’t. He is not a puppeteer.

  15. florinracolta says:

    Fruit is not performance

    “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.”
    ‭‭GALATIANS‬ ‭5:22-23‬ ‭NASB‬‬

  16. Loretta Marks says:

    If God indwells us, he abides in us and we in him. Abiding is not performing, it’s existing in Christ. I guess I have to listen to Mr. Farley and see what he has to say about it and judge for myself through God’s spirit that abides in me.

  17. jimfloyd12 says:


    There is a difference between being in Christ positionally and choosing to abide in Christ practically in our Christian walk.

  18. jimfloyd12 says:

    For example,

    1 John 2:28 ¶And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

    This is an example of believers being told to choose to abide. It was not an automatic type of indwelling.

  19. hollysgarcia says:

    Loretta, Abiding in the Vine is something believers are asked to do. There is a difference (as Jim explained). Eternal life is not a process, it is immediate. Becoming a disciple is work and cooperation with the Lord.

  20. hollysgarcia says:

    Good answer for Gary Jim. People can certainly abuse God’s grace, but 2 Cor 13:5 is so often interpreted badly by those who teach a works salvation.

    Nowhere does it say in the Bible, ‘if there is no fruit, they should be concerned about the legitimacy of their salvation”.
    But it does give us a very good example of fruit that tells us someone is a false prophet.
    They look like sheep outwardly.
    They did many wonderful works in His name (which He does not deny).
    But inwardly they are ravening wolves.

    So how do we ‘know them by their fruits’?

    It is by the fact they try to justify themselves by their wonderful works.

    Believers should absolutely present their bodies a living sacrifice (Rom 12:1-2). They should be careful to maintain good works (Titus 3:8). They should add to their faith so they won’t be barren and UNFRUITFUL (2 Pet 1:5-9).

    But thank you for standing for the faith Jim, it’s sad to see so many repeat the same garbage over and over, not realizing they are condemning themselves in the process.

  21. Jake says:

    Your words don’t accurately represent Andrew Farley’s position.

  22. jimfloyd12 says:

    All of Farley’s quotes above are his words and they are each false statements. I read back through them and my comments and what he said is clear.

  23. Lori says:

    Yes beware – we wouldn’t want God to give a free gift without working for it or doing something for it. It can’t be a FREE!!! GIFT!!

  24. jimfloyd12 says:


    God’s gift is free for us. No need to tack on works.


  25. chas says:


    Thanks for this article. I finally got around to reading the whole thing with responses after having it listed in my favorites for months now. (I have a list of web articles in my “2 Study on Sunday” file.) That’s what I do on Sundays; online research, having been unable to find a fellowship within a reasonable distance from my home pastored by someone who knows what “repentance” in salvation means. Coming to this site (and expreacherman) is my “church on Sunday” thing.

    I’m not very familiar with this “hyper grace” thing, but from your comments it sounds like a better name for it would be “pseudo-grace”. Also, I’ve come across some things that make me wonder about some who claim to be “Free Grace”, but are not. I guess you just can’t trust labels.

  26. Scott Boxrud says:

    Very interesting. I don’t believe you are being fair. Andrew Farley has helped me really understand my identity in Christ and here you come along and claim you are some authority on scripture. Who are you? So according to your great wisdom and understanding who would you suggest would be acceptable to take instruction from beside the Bible of course and your great knowledge. You pretty much dismiss most teachers out there. Give me an example of someone deserving of your respect.
    Gifts have ceased! Huh? Wow there goes half of so called Christians.

  27. jimfloyd12 says:

    Hi Scott,

    I am simply a person that has noticed some of the problems in what Farley is saying. People need to be warned especially when they might be unsuspecting due to perhaps things he might say that are right.

    As for who I respect, I only occasionally listen to Pastor Tom Cucuzza besides my own pastor. The sad thing is that many don’t get the gospel right. But that isn’t my fault. Not everything is a separation issue. But if teachings tarnish the gospel then why tolerate it?

    As for gifts, I specifically mean the “sign gifts” have ceased such as tongues. I suppose a person that truly understands the gospel could be of a different viewpoint on those. That wouldn’t be as big of an issue as confusing the gospel. But you’d want to be wary of it.

  28. Gregg says:

    Mistakes abound here although many of the hyper grace issues are accurate. We must abide to remain saved. Furthermore, a true faith produces works even though it is faith which saves. That is what scripture teaches.

  29. jimfloyd12 says:

    The Bible never teaches that person must abide to stay saved. We are purchased by Christ’s precious blood. The moment one receives salvation belief of the gospel they are born again and sealed with the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption. There is no way to undo the price that was paid or you reception or the benefit in terms of eternal life. Otherwise God is a liar many times over. But I trust that you know that He is not. Scripture needs to clarify scripture with the more clear passages used to help decipher less clear or problematic passages.


  30. jimfloyd12 says:

    Gregg Powers,

    Your comment isn’t approved but I can answer your questions. And yes I consider all scriptures.


  31. jimfloyd12 says:

    John 15 is talking about believers abiding for the purpose of bearing fruit. “Burned” is not a reference to hell fire. It in context of the branch analogy.

    4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

    5¶I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

    6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

    7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

    8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

    Further down it says:

    9¶As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.

    10If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.

    11¶These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.

    God desires us to keep His commandments. We can have fullness of joy when we abide and obey. Or sin will cause a problem with your practical walk of fellowship with your Savior. See also I John 1. 4And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.

    It’s not, these things write we unto you that you stay saved.


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