Beware of the “grace” view on “Jesus died spiritually”

As resurrection Sunday is upon us, I would like us to consider the perfect sacrifice that is Jesus Christ. I am reminded again of the importance of not placing a spot on our Savior. Unfortunately, the grace community of believers is not a stranger to allowing teaching that in some way has Christ dying spiritually on the cross. Some, like R.B Thieme, went so far as to say the blood is basically unimportant but that His supposed spiritual death atoned for sin. As many know, my Pastor and I have written a book explaining the reasons why the Bible simply does not teach that Jesus died spiritually. We also state why it is such an important topic. This isn’t a trifle of an issue because doctrine of the atonement matters.

Part of the big impetus for the book was coming into contact with those in our midst that teach JDS. I would like to review (blog style) an article that we deal with quite a bit in the book. Hopefully this can be supplemental to the book.

Tom Stegall, a preacher who I have no issue with personally, in 2017 published an article on Grace Gospel Press titled “Did Christ Die Spiritually and Physically”. Here is my reaction section by section. I will put his words in quotes and mine in ( ).

Stegall starts off by talking about a Catholic error that has people believe that their members can add their suffering to Christ’s work. This is supposed to somehow gain them completed forgiveness. It boils down to helping God pay for one’s sins. Obviously, this is incorrect but be careful always about how you correct an error. It does not help to correct an error with your own error.

Tom Stegall rightly sees that the aforementioned Catholic teaching is a problem. That is good but look at what his resolution is.

“Having been raised Roman Catholic, I can attest to having missed the spiritual significance of Jesus’ death on the cross. Although I was moved with emotional sympathy for the great injustice and physical agony Christ endured, I never understood that He was paying the penalty for my sins completely because I was too occupied with my own attempts to tip the scales of God’s favor by my own good works. Without faith in Christ alone, I could see only His external, physical suffering and was blind to the spiritual aspect of His death.”

(I bolded the last words of his quote for emphasis. Stegall makes it sound as though the thing that makes Christ’s atonement complete is the spiritual aspect of His death.)

Tom says there are difficult questions to answer and that,

“…not every aspect of the Lord’s death is addressed in Scripture (Deut. 29:29); but enough has been revealed for us to study (Ps. 111:2)…”

(I find this a curious statement as Deut. 29:29 appears to be used out of context. Though there is enough to study indeed. As with anything, use the clearest passages to interpret the less clear or confusing passages. I simply do not see that being done by JDS advocates.)

One must understand the rationale behind a view. Stegall on the outset attempts to define death. This is a fine thing to do but be careful of application. Careful attention to detail will have to be given to this section.

“In order to understand why Christ died in our place and what it means to die spiritually, it is necessary first to understand the Bible’s teaching on death.”

(An understanding of kinds of death is fine but it is key not to miss is what was required of Christ in order to be the propitiation.)

“Scripture states that the penalty for sin is death: “For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Jesus Christ our Lord” (Rom. 6:23).”

(Yes this is true for mankind. For them there is an eternal separation from God forever.)

“Death in the Bible does not mean cessation of existence, but separation.”

(It could be said that the body is separated from the spirit at death. It could be said that spiritual separation occurs for men in God’s sight.)

“When Adam sinned in the Garden of Eden, he did not cease to exist. But something changed immediately in his relationship with God. Adam died spiritually.”

(Yes, this is what has happened for mankind.)

“Adam died spiritually in the sense of being separated in his relationship with God. Obviously, Adam did not die physically that day since Genesis 5:5 states that he went on to live for hundreds of years before dying at the age of 930.”

(Yes, that much is true.)

Now here is the misstep.

“The example of Adam helps us to see how it was possible for Christ to be physically alive on the cross, while at the same time undergoing a spiritual death or judicial separation from God the Father.”

(This is a critical error to make. Adam’s spiritual death and eventual physical death is no help to understand Christ why Christ would have died spiritually. Christ came not to be punished with what man was punished with. He came to do what man could not as in dying as the pure sacrifice without sin. He came to fulfill what the Father wanted in that of a perfect sacrifice for sin. Hebrews goes into great detail on this. In order to be pure and accepted as the proper sacrifice, Christ needed to be without sin all the way through. Dying spiritually is not being without sin on his account. Taking sins upon his body, however, leaves his spirit intact. Christ came to shed His spotless blood and lay down His life for us physically. It needed to be the sacrifice of himself.)

See this table for and illustration of the difference:

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Stegall mentions other verses about the concept for men and spiritual separation, but they are irrelevant to the question on whether or not Christ died spiritually.

“In reference to Christ’s physical death, Scripture states that He bore our sins “in His own body on the tree” (1 Peter 2:24) and was “put to death in the flesh” (1 Peter 2:24; 3:18). In addition, we have been set apart to God (positional sanctification) by “the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all” (Heb. 10:10).”

(Stegall should have stopped there.)

But he went on to say,

“This article, along with extensive quotations from leading Bible teachers to show that the spiritual aspect of Christ’s death, far from being a novel view, is in fact the normal view.”

(Let’s get this straight. As for the Bible, this is not a normal view. As for people, it wouldn’t be easy to quantify normal. There is disagreement and variances of opinion across the board on this through every possible group and stripe of person that remotely calls themselves Christian. I’ve talked to many that reject this flat out right away. Some don’t know. Some tolerate it a bit and toy with it like a cat that found a mole. Some heartily defend JDS. I take what Tom is saying as meaning that, as far as he is concerned, the people he cares about agree with him. Now that may be true, but are they correct? The same thing could be said for Calvinism. Grace is not the majority view on salvation. It is the common view to add something to Christ’s work.)

“Now from the sixth hour until the ninth hour there was darkness over all the land. And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?”

“Some who deny the spiritual aspect of Christ’s death claim that He only intended this statement as a figurative expression of His physical agony and that He was simply reciting this verse to the crowd assembled at Calvary, not crying out directly and personally to God. But this interpretation seems hollow in light of the particular verse Jesus chose to quote and when He spoke it.”

(It is important to understand the context of Psalm 22. David describes his predicament. Remember that David had not died spiritually after salvation. Rather he was facing physical and emotional distress. He wondered how long it would take for the Lord to answer him but yet he had faith in that the Lord did hear him and would help. The passage also goes into a foreshadowing of Christ’s physical and great emotional suffering. It is possible that Christ both prayed to God and pointed to this verse as a way of identifying himself as the promised lamb of God. Note also that “forsaken” is not spiritual in context here. It is a physical leaving of Christ to suffer and die alone on the cross.)

“Christ’s choice to quote Psalm 22:1a was significant. Out of 23,145 verses in the Old Testament, He chose just one that precisely conveyed what He was experiencing at that moment in His personal relationship with God the Father.”

(This is misleading since nothing happened to the relationship between the Son and the Father. There was no rupture in the Trinity as at least one grace pastor has said. Further than that, Christ was and is always pleasing to the Father. There is no statement in scripture to say otherwise. Remember back to the old testament sacrifices. The Lord was greatly pleased by the proper sacrifice. That thing offered was considered most holy and the people were not to defile it. Christ was not defiled in any way while bearing our sin in His body on the tree. 1 Pet 2:24)

“Furthermore, no other verse in Psalm 22 uses the word “forsaken” or conveys as strongly the idea that the Son of God was separated from God the Father on the cross.”

(This loses apparent significance for the JDS advocate if the context is physical suffering as opposed to spiritual death. Really it just bolsters the fact that Christ physically suffered for us as foretold.)

“Christ did not quote Psalm 22:1a during the first three hours of His crucifixion, but yelled it out during the hours of darkness, when God the Father was pouring out His wrath in judgment on His own Son. Why? Because at that time our sins were judicially imputed to Christ (2 Cor. 5:21) and He was punished in our place, bearing the wages of sin that we deserved—death—even spiritual death.”

(The JDS advocate, like Stegall, tends to presume that part of God’s wrath is separating Christ spiritually. They even go to lengths to say that what Christ really wanted to avoid in the garden prayer was the coming “spiritual” separation.)

(Notice another problem here. The Bible does not say that our sins were judicially imputed to Christ as in making it so that He dies spiritually. He doesn’t become an actual sinner. But you would have to be if you are spiritually dead. It would be the same difference. Nor did Christ become sin itself. (More on that later.) He was sentenced to die physically for us. The Bible says cursed is every man that hangeth upon a tree. He bore that reproach for us as an innocent.)

Stegall then proceeds to based his argument on the opinions of others.

“J. Vernon McGee ex-plains the unique nature of this death:

He did not die as martyrs who in their death sang praises of joy and confessed that Christ was standing by them. . . . Our Lord didn’t die like that. He was forsaken of God. He said, ‘My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?’ (Matt. 27:46). His death was different. He died alone—alone with the sins of the world upon Him.2”

(This statement would be fine if he means physically forsaken.)

“But in those last three hours He made His soul an offering for sin, and it pleased the Father to bruise Him (see Isa. 53:10). Forsaken. My friend, you do not know what that is; and I do not know what it is to be forsaken of God. The vilest man on this earth today is not forsaken of God. Anyone can turn to Him. But when Christ takes my sin upon Himself, He is forsaken of God. “Why hast thou forsaken me?” It is not the why of impatience. It is not the why of despair; it is not the why of doubt.”

(Christ had no doubt in the Father. That is an absurd statement.)

“McGee’s interpretation of Christ’s cry of abandonment is shared by other sound Bible teachers and theologians, such as John Walvoord:”

(It is not sound to get the atonement wrong. That HAS to be correct or what basis do you have for anything theologically?)

“The cry of Jesus has been variously interpreted, but it seems clear that God had judicially forsaken Jesus on the cross in contrast to the fact that He had strengthened Him in the garden of Gethsemane. Here Jesus was bearing the sins of the whole world, and even God the Father had to turn away as Jesus bore the curse and identified Himself with the sins of the whole world. When Jesus actually died, He commended Himself back into the Father’s hands.4″

(First, there is no such thing as “judicially forsaken”. It sounds like a philosophical construct conjured up by some seminary professor. While one could play around with this term in regard to being sentenced to die physically, it would be incorrect to say Christ was judicially spiritually forsaken.)

“Saying that Jesus was “judicially forsaken” is a vital qualification regarding the spiritual aspect of Christ’s substitutionary death.”

(I am sure it is for the JDS advocate, but again, what is the context?)

“The Son of God was not spatially or ontologically separated from God the Father and God the Holy Spirit since it is impossible for God in His essence or being to be separated. Christ’s separation from the Father was a judicial and relational act of judgment, not a metaphysical or spatial separation, as if God the Son ceased to be a member of the Triune Godhead for the finite period in which He died in our place.”

(Here you have some philosophical wrangling. The judicial act was that of the sentence of physical death. There was no stated relational act ever mentioned as being required. Nor did any occur. Oddly, some grace guys apparently are ok with going as far as to say there was a rupture in the Trinity. They chalk it up to some great mystery. The real mystery to me is why they think they need to read between the lines.)

Stegall quotes Erwin Lutzer who said, “This was a break in fellowship, not a breach of the fundamental unity of the Father and the Son.5″

(That might sound impressive except for the fact that the Bible mentions no break in fellowship.)

“Of course, God cannot die, if by death we mean some form of annihilation. But if death is defined as separation (for us the separation of the spirit and the body), then God died in the sense that the Son was separated from the Father.6

(This is still theologically impossible seeing that there are a multitude of verses tying the Father to the Son to the Holy Spirit. You cannot simply say the Son of God is separated from the Father. What of the person of the Holy Spirit? What about verses like I and my Father are one. Or Jesus Christ the same today and forever…?)

Charles Ryrie reiterates the same point:

“My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” (Matt. 27:46; Mark 15:34). The first three sayings were probably all spoken before noon. This one, which is in every way central, was uttered about 3 P.M., after three hours of darkness and silence during which the Son of God bore the sin of the world. In that work He had to be forsaken by God, and yet at the same time there was no splitting up of the Trinity. All that is involved is inscrutable, but He gave Himself, He was made sin, He bore our sins, and His soul was made an offering for sin.7

(Understand that “soul” does not mean a spiritual death. It means life and can carry with it mental and emotional aspects. This becomes an important distinction in the upcoming section.)

Stegall directs the discussion to Isaiah 53 where supposedly the word nephesh means spirit or some immaterial part of man. Also in this section, notice the context of Isaiah 53. It is all about physical and emotional suffering of Christ and not spiritual death.

“10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise Him; He has put Him to grief. When You make His soul [nephesh] an offering for sin, He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in His hand. 11 He shall see the labor of His soul [nephesh], and be satisfied. By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many, for He shall bear their iniquities. 12 Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great, and He shall divide the spoil with the strong, because He poured out His soul [nephesh] unto death, and He was numbered with the transgressors, and He bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.”

(Replace the word nephesh for “life” and it is clear. Also, notice the physical and emotional context words such as bruise and grief.)

“Some who hold that Christ died only physically interpret “soul” (nephesh) in these verses as referring only to Christ’s body or physical life that He offered on the cross.”

(Yes, this view is the most consistent with scripture.)

“They say the word “soul” in verses 10‒12 is limited in meaning to just Christ’s body rather than the immaterial part of Him.”

(Look up the definition of the word.)

“The interpretation that “soul” in Isaiah 53:10‒12 refers only to Christ’s body appears to be theologically driven based on a preconceived doctrinal conclusion, for there is nothing in the context, grammar, or parallel usage of nephesh within Isaiah to limit its meaning to the physical body alone.”

(I would say the whole JDS view is driven based on a philosophical construct read back into certain less clear texts while ignoring much of the rest of the Bible. There is nothing in the context of Isaiah 53 that indicates spiritual death or loss of fellowship. You would only think so if you are doing eisegesis to try to fit your preconceived notion. Here are the other uses of “nephesh” in Isaiah: herself, fish, themselves, man, life, and greedy dogs.)

Strong’s gives this definition: נֶפֶשׁ nephesh, neh’-fesh; from H5314; properly, a breathing creature, i.e. animal of (abstractly) vitality; used very widely in a literal, accommodated or figurative sense (bodily or mental):—any, appetite, beast, body, breath, creature, × dead(-ly), desire, × (dis-) contented, × fish, ghost, greedy, he, heart(-y), (hath, × jeopardy of) life (× in jeopardy), lust, man, me, mind, mortally, one, own, person, pleasure, (her-, him-, my-, thy-) self, them (your) -selves, slay, soul, tablet, they, thing, (× she) will, × would have it.

So you see it can be used as body or mental. Isaiah 53 talks about physical and emotional suffering. That seems to fit.  Spirit is different. Try Isaiah 42:1. It uses “nephesh” as “soul”, but notice also the word “spirit”. Isa 42:1  Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. They are not the same.

“Isaiah 26:9 also uses Hebrew poetry’s standard form of synonymous parallelism to speak of the “soul” (nephesh) and “spirit” (ruach) as the immaterial, inner part of man (ruach cf. Dan. 7:15). Therefore, Isaiah’s use of nephesh permits the meaning of the word in 53:10-12 as being either (a) the immaterial part of man, or (b) the body plus the immaterial part of man (the whole person), but not (c) the body alone.8 Since nephesh never means the body alone everywhere else it occurs in Isaiah, to interpret the word this way in 53:10 would be an example of forcing one’s theological views onto the verse, which would be eisegesis rather than exegesis.”

(This is still misleading and incorrect. Spiritual death is different than simply the mind or the will or emotions or those things unseen by sight. Also consider again that soul and spirit are not necessarily the same:

1 Cor. 15:45  And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

1 Th 5:23  And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Heb_4:12  For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.)

Stegall quotes Ironside who says,

“Let me remind you that it was not simply the physical suffering which our blessed Lord endured upon the cross that made expiation for iniquity. It was what He suffered in His holy, spotless soul, in His sinless being, when the judgment that our sins deserved fell on Him.9″

(What!? You’d better have scripture to back up that whopper of a statement. Sadly there are none. There are a multitude of ones that refute this.)

“Another crucial clarification about Christ’s sacrificial death in Isaiah 53 is that He died only one death, not two.” Some who speak of Christ’s “two deaths” appeal to the plural use of “death” in Isaiah 53:9, which says He was “with the rich in His death,” where the Hebrew word for “death” is plural. However, the plural here for “deaths” is simply an instance of the intensive plural,10 which is a well-recognized category of usage.11

(That is correct. But note that Robert Dean teaches the two death view.)

“Technically, there were two aspects to Christ’s one death—a spiritual and a physical aspect—not two separate deaths.”

(Technically there was no such thing for Christ. For Adam yes, but not Christ. This is compound death of Christ mentioned earlier.)

“From Christ’s perspective, His work was so certain to be finished that He could speak of it beforehand as already finished.”

(I don’t have a problem with that but then comes the issue.)

“Theologically, this is significant, for it shows that when Christ said “It is finished” He clearly meant to encompass both aspects of His death—His spiritual separation from God the Father on the cross and the moment that His spirit separated from His body at physical death.”

(Clearly? Not hardly.)

“While on the cross, Christ trusted God His Father to receive His spirit and have their fellowship restored immediately upon physical death since at that point the debt of sin would be fully paid and God the Father would be fully propitiated or satisfied (Isa. 53:11; Rom. 3:25). For this reason, Christ could not have gone to Hell after His death.”

(So Christ is spiritually separated / dead on the cross yet is somehow going to be restored upon giving up His physical life?? Talk about eisegesis. That is totally reading something in. Nothing corroborates this. It is only there out of necessity to complete the previous missteps without having to have the big misstep of sending Christ also to hell itself. Dennis Rokser and Stegall seem content to have Christ suffering a type of hell on the cross but don’t want to go as far as the Joyce Meyer’s of the world and send Jesus to hell itself. But why was there a need to even go that far?? It boggles the mind.)

Stegall mentions Hebrews 5:7 and quotes Dwight Pentecost who said, ”

“Another explanation is that Christ was praying not concerning physical death, but spiritual death. The penalty for disobedience to God was death (Gen. 2:17). This death was the separation of the sinner from God—that is, spiritual death—and physical death was the result of prior spiritual death. Therefore if Jesus Christ was to satisfy the demands of God’s holiness, righteousness, and justice to provide salvation for people who are dead, He would have to experience the same death that separated them from God. He must enter into spiritual death, as anticipated in the prophetic 22nd Psalm where the sufferer cried, “My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?” (22:1). Here is a mystery deeper than any human mind can comprehend: How could God the Father and God the Son—who are one—be separated one from the other? Yet Christ realized such separation was involved in providing salvation for sinners. Since only that kind of separation or spiritual death could satisfy the demands of a holy, just God, Christ could not have been praying that He would be spared that which was essential.14″

(So Pentecost got it wrong to. He didn’t understand the requirement as illustrated earlier. He though as some do that more than a perfect sacrifice was required. He thought that Christ had to suffer the same spiritual death man suffers in order for expiation of sin to occur. The Bible never says this. The Old testament types don’t show this. The new testament verses do say it.)

“Robert Gromacki also interprets Hebrews 5:7 as a reference to Christ’s spiritual death:

The most plausible position is that He prayed to be delivered from the realm of eternal death, the second death of separation from God. The punishment for sin is both physical and spiritual death (Rom. 6:23). At the cross Christ experienced this double death in order to provide both physical and spiritual redemption for lost humanity.15″

(So another guy gets is flat wrong. The punishment for man is Rom 6:23. Christ wasn’t punished that way because He was innocent. Period. Double death nullifies the spotless lamb.)

Concerning 1 Peter 3:18 Stegall says, “The New American Standard Bible and English Standard Version translate the end of the verse to say that Christ was “put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit” rather than “made alive in the Spirit.””

(The KJV says, “1 Pet 3:18  For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:” Jesus was simply made alive again by the Spirit. This is not talking about being restored to fellowship or regeneration. I find it odd that Stegall talks about spiritual death so freely on one hand for Christ but dances away from Him needing to be regenerated. In that regard, he couches it in softer terms of restoration of fellowship. No guiltless sinless person needs restoration of any fellowship. If it is just like men then yes, He would have also had to have been regenerated! See why it doesn’t follow?)

“The Lord did not need to be born again because He never became a sinner like the rest of humanity. Even when He took our sins upon Himself and died as our substitute, our sins did not become part of His nature but were legally imputed to Him.”

(This is contradictory to earlier statements. If he lost fellowship and was separated spiritually, then he is spiritually dead like humans and, as others have said, in line to suffer their fate. Some say as seen above that He supposedly had to do this to atone for sin. The sins were not legal imputed to Him spiritually. Remember, his physical life was forfeited for us.)

“When 2 Corinthians 5:21 says, “He made Him who knew no sin to be made sin for us,” it does not mean that Christ metaphysically became sin itself, but only that He became a sin-offering for us.”

(This is true. Some with JDS views do say he became sin itself.)

“Ironside says in reference to this verse, “In both the original languages in which the two Testaments were written, the same words were used for sin and sin offering; so we may understand this expression to mean, ‘He was made the sin offering.’”16″

(Yes this makes my point. Christ was a sin offering that was spotless all the way through.)

“Christ never became unregenerate or a sinner when our sins were placed upon Him and He was judicially condemned in our place. Therefore, He did not need, as we do, the “washing of regeneration” (Titus 3:5) or to have the old man put off through the new birth (Col. 2:11; 3:9).”

(Again, this is contradictory. They want one side to be right but force the other side to stick. It doesn’t jive. It is actually really bad theology. What spiritually dead or separated person was not unregenerate? The uniqueness of Christ was not that He was the only spiritually separated person to not be unregenerate but rather He was the only person to live a sinless life and be able to be the propitiation for sin.)

“John Whitcomb joins Gromacki, Pentecost, Ironside, Ryrie, Lutzer, Walvoord, McGee, and a host of other sound Bible teachers in accurately summa-rizing the biblical view of Christ’s death:”

(So far it has proven to be a bad list. Maybe everyone should take notes and be wary of things these guys taught. It is problematic that they got the atonement wrong.)

Whitcomb says, “The last three hours that Jesus was on the cross He was physically alive, right? But He was spiritually dead. Why? The Father turned away from Him.”

(People might not be aware but no verse says that the Father turned away. Yet Whitcomb says so.)

“But the minute He died physically He became alive spiritually. Why? Because He said, “Into Thy hands I commend My spirit.” ”

(Now I have heard everything. This should make the hair on the back of your neck stand up. The Bible says no such thing. This is all eisegesis and speculation. It may sound logical in isolation but fall straight apart upon even a rudimentary comparison of other scriptures.)

“To say that Christ died both spiritually and physically on the cross does not contradict the unity of the Trinity or the sinlessness of Christ but is simply the teaching of Scripture.”

(It does indeed contradict a huge swath of scriptures. Yes, it does damage the Trinity. IT spots the Savior. It destroys the concept of the object of our faith. How can you say a spiritually dead person is sinless at the same time. And if He is sinless then He need restoration of fellowship for what exactly??)

“As man is material and immaterial, having body, soul, and spirit (1 Thess. 5:23; Heb. 4:12), so Christ died both physically and spiritually as our perfect substitute in body (1 Peter 2:24), soul (Isa. 53:10), and spirit (1 Peter 3:18). ■”

(No, this does not square with the concept of the sacrifice that please God the Father.)

In summary, here are the verses for JDS that were given: Isa 53:10-12, Psalm 22, Forsaken me, I Pet, Heb 5:7 and 2 Cor 5:21. Some also try to use the garden passage the night before the crucifixion. That is pretty much it. But all of these are easily shown to have better interpretations in their given contexts. Please see my book for those. Here are some verses that say otherwise.

John 10:17  Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
John 10:18  No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father. (Christ took it again because He was always righteous. He had the power over sin and death.)

Lev 6:17  It shall not be baken with leaven. I have given it unto them for their portion of my offerings made by fire; it is most holy, as is the sin offering, and as the trespass offering.

Lev 6:25  Speak unto Aaron and to his sons, saying, This is the law of the sin offering: In the place where the burnt offering is killed shall the sin offering be killed before the LORD: it is most holy. (Over and over again the thing offered was seen as most holy. So was Christ. He was always pure and seen as most Holy in God’s sight. He is the object that the sacrifices pointed to.

1 Pet 2:24  Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
(A JDS advocate would have to reword this as Who his own self bare our sins in his own spirit on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness, by whose spiritual separation ye were healed.)

Eph 1:7  In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

Eph 2:13  But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. Eph 2:14  For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Eph 2:15  Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph 2:16  And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

Eph 5:2  And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. (Christ was not separated but rather a sweet smelling savour similar to the drink offering.)

Mat 27:24  When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.

Mar 14:24  And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.

John 6:54  Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Act 20:28  Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Rom 3:25  Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

Rom 5:9  Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. (you see blood over and over yet never justified by his spiritual death)

1 Cor 11:25  After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

1 Cor 10:16  The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

1 Cor 11:27  Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. (body and blood, not spiritual death of the Lord)

Col 1:14  In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

Col 1:20  And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

Col 1:22  In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

Heb_2:14  Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

Heb 9:12  Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
Heb 9:13  For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
Heb 9:14  How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

Heb 9:22  And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission. (the guys above would have one to believe that without the spiritual separation of Christ there is no remission)

Heb 9:25  Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;

Heb 10:5  Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

Heb 10:19  Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

Heb 10:29  Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Heb 13:12  Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.

Heb 13:20  Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

1 Pet 1:2  Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

1 Pet 1:19  But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

Rev 1:5  And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

Rev 5:9  And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; Rev 7:14

Please see many more verse mentioned in my book The Perfect Sacrifice. I pray that you all will embrace the miraculous spotless Savior and rejoice in the great deliverance that Christ provided us by virtue of His broken body and shed blood. He laid down His life, was buried, and rose again. Praise the Lord for our Savior. Don’t let anyone tarnish Him.

Please see also:

https://standforthefaith.com/jesus-did-not-die-spiritually/

 

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A God so Loving

A profound thought struck me recently in a discussion with a friend. Isn’t it entirely incredible that the creator God of the universe loved me so much that He sent His only begotten Son to the cross for me despite His knowledge of my sin and failures (past, present, and future). Despite all that, He did it anyway. Not only that, but He loved the whole world of mankind just that much. (Jn 3:16) Christ would have to live perfectly then bear reproach, ridicule, mockery, shame, humiliation, and excruciating physical pain. He had to lay down his physical life all for redemption of those that offend Him so much so often. Think about that. Would you do all that for anyone. Much less for people that sin against you? Would you be that sacrificial and pure in unconditioned love?

Some may be tempted to question God’s goodness at times of struggle and hardship. But remember His love. During current times the world wrestles with pandemic outbreaks and panic lacking hope yet there is, above it all, a wondrous loving Savior. This Savior provides salvation from something far more important than physical distress. He has secured the cure for our death sentence of sin. This penalty results in a sentence of eternal damnation and separation from God forever. Go back to his love. God not willing that any should perish sent His Son to seek and to save. (2 Pet 3:9, Lk 19:10)  And, praise the Lord, He has been successful. He stands now with open arms offering this deliverance freely to us upon the merits of Christ. No standing in line is needed. There is no waiting list to receive this cure. Simply accept it by faith.  It is based on His gracious love after all, not our merit.

Think of the tragedy of not accepting this free gift. Use the current world situation as an illustration. So often upon realization of need, people run to the stores for goods often times to find that they are too late. Don’t be too late to realize your need of the Savior and accept His salvation by faith. (Acts 16:31) You only have this lifetime to accept it and you do not know how long that will be. The matter is far more urgent than any earthly concern.

For believers, know that your God loved you and loves you now and forever. His love is undying. Walk with a motivated assurance and spring in your step knowing that you are redeemed and no matter what happens you have hope. Believers have the calm assurance that one day we will be with our Savior. We will be like Him for we shall see Him as He is. (I John 3:2)  No matter what comes about in this fallen world ultimately due to the curse of sin, we can look to fix our minds upon our loving Savior and conquer any situation. We are already conquerors in Him who loved us. (Rom 8:37)

Let peace then reign in your life. Do not be cast about here and there by fear and doubts and worry but rather heed God’s Word. The Bible mentions this principle in Isaiah 26:3-4  Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee. Trust ye in the LORD for ever: for in the LORD JEHOVAH is everlasting strength:. Christ has taken away the power and sting of death itself (Isa 25:8, I Cor 15:55, Heb 2:14, 2 Tim 1:10) and there constantly to make intersession for us. Likewise He can always help with our infirmities (global pandemics included).

Scriptures for inspiration:

Rom 8:26  Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
Rom 8:27  And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

Rom 8:34  Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Heb 7:25  Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

Christ has conquered sin and death motived by love. Will you be motivated by the same love and show it to others? Please remember that is God so loving and His continual love is shown to us that don’t deserve it. Today if you have not trusted Christ as Savior then receive His cure by faith.

I wish you blessing in Christ,

Jim Floyd

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In Defense of the Trinity

In order to stand for the faith, there come times when it is necessary to defend key truths. Some say today that there is no such thing as the Trinity and that Jesus and the Father are one in the same. These same people would have The Father dying in Jesus’ spirit body on the cross. Of course, it should be readily apparent that this is a wrench in all of theology. The Bible paints a different picture. I would like you to consider support for the Biblical Triune God.

For starters let’s consider my doctrinal statement:

“There is one triune God who is eternally existent, all powerful, all knowing, and the creator of the heavens and the earth. The three persons of the Trinity are the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.”

While the Bible does not use the specific word “trinity”, it does clearly teach the three distinct persons and their roles. Each is fully God. Yet the persons themselves are distinct. (Please see the excel file link at the end)

Consider I John. Toward the end of the book, three mentioned in heaven and they are tied together.

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

(The “Word” there refers to Christ.)

1 John 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

The Bible makes distinctions between the person of the Father and the Son. He testified of His Son, not Himself (person).

1 John 5:10-12 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

It is clear that he that accepts the Son accepts the Father also, but remember the person of the Son came in the flesh. It was not the person of the Father coming in the flesh.
The Bible at times refers to all three persons and one name.

Matthew 28:19 – Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Here is such an example. Why list all three if there are not three persons? Also consider:

2 Corinthians 13:14 – The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, [be] with you all. Amen. ([The second [epistle] to the Corinthians was written from Philippi, [a city] of Macedonia, by Titus and Lucas.])

The grace of Christ, love of the Father, and communion of the Holy Spirit are all listed above.

Matthew 3:16-17 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Here it is seen that all three persons are in action. Christ (The Son) being baptized, the Spirit descending, and the person of the Father saying He is well pleased.

1 Peter 1:2 – Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Note the roles of the foreknowledge of God the Father, the sanctification of the Spirit, and the blood of Christ.

Speaking to the disciples, Jesus Christ has this to say:

John 14:26 – But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

The Father sends the Comforter (Holy Spirit) in the name of Christ (The Son) for the purpose of teaching and reminding them of what Christ taught them.

The three persons were involved in creation. The Bible says it this way.

Genesis 1:26 – And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

(So who is “our” referring to?)

John 1:1-18 In the beginning was the Word (The Son), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. There was a man sent from God, whose name [was] John.

God sent someone named John the Baptist to testify of His Son.

The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all [men] through him might believe. He was not that Light, but [was sent] to bear witness of that Light. [That] was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

And the Word (The Son) was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. For the law was given by Moses, [but] grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. (Here we have grace mentioned again in terms of Christ.)

No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared [him].

Here there is a difference mentioned. One person is Father and the other is the Son. Now catch this. If you make the person the Father the same as the person The Son, then you do away with the meaning of the “only begotten”. The Son Jesus Christ had to be the perfect sacrifice. He was precious in God the Father’s sight and His only son. This give special significance to His sacrificial death.

Remember the love of God the Father that was displayed in His Son.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Note, it doesn’t say God the Father came Himself into the world. Rather He sent the person His Son into the world. He was to be the Lamb provided by the Father to take away the sins of the world. This was required to reconcile us to God.

John 10:30 I and [my] Father are one. (This means both persons are God. This is key for refutation of those that try to deny Christ’s deity.)

36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Have you accepted the Son?

John 5:19-23 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel. For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will. For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

John 5:26-29 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 10:17-18 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father. (God the Father wasn’t giving himself a commandment. And yet this again shows Christ as God because He had the power to take up His life again.)

John 13:1 Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end. John 13:3 Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;

John 14:1: Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Joh 16:27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.

Joh 16:28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father. (It should be clear there are two persons mentioned here.)

Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the

John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

See also John 17; 20:16-17; Colossians 1:13-23

John 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: (This is mention of the third Person)

John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Here is a link to a file I had started for one of my adult Sunday lessons. I have illustrated the Trinity and have listed verses under the heading of each Person of the Trinity illustrating uniqueness, ministries, attributes, and functions that they perform. This is not intended to be a 100 percent exhaustive listing but is a great start and plenty for sake of illustration.

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God bless,

Jim Floyd

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Biblical Separation Concerning the Gospel

Some have raised the question about ministry philosophy and if I would preach or teach on a lordship stage or platform whether radio or website or whatever. Here are my concerns that would factor into my decision. The stakes are high because the gospel’s clarity hangs in the balance.

I. Be concerned with who promotes you.

Sometimes people with bad reputations can promote you. However, that can be more of a curse than a blessing. Consider this account of the apostle Paul and Silas.

Act 16:16-18 And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying: The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation. And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.

Paul was an apostle of God and did not need a recommendation by an unclean spirit. This girl was known for soothsaying due to the demon working in her. Paul wasn’t thinking, ok you go that way and tell the town to trust me and I’ll go over there and preach the gospel. Rather he was grieved and put an end to it and paid for his good decision. They were mistreated and placed in prison. Yet Paul had opportunity later to minister and witness effectively.

Now this may be a more extreme example but think of those who are known most of their whole time in ministry for false gospels. Do you suppose that they lend credibility or a curse to your name if you teach the truth? I for one do not want to be endorsed by known lordshippers. I want to be endorsed in necessary by people known for the true clear gospel. This would include websites or conferences or churches.

II. Be concerned with who you lend credibility to.

This happens not only by what we say but by what we do. I had this concept made clear to me in my life while at a previous church. I came to realize that the church I was attending really did not share the same wavelength so to speak on the gospel or the clearness of it. There were lordshippers, and Calvinists, and Arminians, and maybe a few here and there that may have understood grace but leadership by in large was against grace as I see it. That and many times preachers coming in as guest speakers messed up the gospel. I came to realize that the more I was respected for discernment and clearness of the gospel the more my presence alone there was recommending the gospel clouding church. Some could think, well Jim goes here and Jim seems to understand the gospel so I’ll go see for myself what they have to say. In a church of five hundred they may hear me teach and understand but they more likely will hear all the rest and not hear the truth. It would be like I swim upstream and everyone else swims down stream. It is not worth it. I realized that no amount of my teaching a Sunday school class there would resolve the problem. It was time for me to leave. The pastor told me I would never find a place I was looking for. But in two years time God provided a clear grace teaching and preaching church. Now I can preach (on occasion) and teach every Sunday with the confident backdrop and support of a Biblical pastor and a Bible believing gospel preaching church. It has been a miraculous life freeing deliverance from the constant spirit squelching of the other place. Instead of listen to me (in effect) not these guys, it had become, listen to us as we all teach you the same clear gospel. There is more power in the one. This speaks to strength and wisdom in true unity.

1 Corinthians 10:20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.

2 Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

If you are oil and they are water, then it is a bad mix. It is like dissonance in music. Is that pleasing to the ears or not? Is it great to have grace as one option in a dissonant chorus of LS, LS, and then some more LS? To me, the gospel is pure and precious. Why not let it shine without the confusing surroundings. The god of this world is already at work anyway. Does the head of the church (God) need is church members to cooperate with the pawns of the god of this world to get the gospel out?

Do God’s ways match with the way of the god of this world? Shouldn’t rather servants of one have unity with one side or the other? (Not both).

Rom 15:6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

2 Corinthians 13:11 Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.

Philippians 1:27 Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;

Philippians 2:2 Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.

1 Peter 3:8 Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous:

2 John 1:7-11 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

III. Mark and avoid

There comes a time for Biblical separation from those that do not teach gospel truth but rather perpetuate lies about Christ or the gospel itself. What I am talking about is gospel destructing error.

Rom 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

The concept of avoid to me include not participating in their ministry. I don’t get to care if it seems ok like a radio ministry or simple website or whatever. Rather, just avoid them. I don’t need them to get the message out. It is going out and lord willing will continue to go forth from a good testimony if I continue to be careful not to let any tarnish that good testimony. It is bad enough to live with the flesh like the apostle Paul mentions in Romans 7 let alone if I bring in associations with those that teach or preach error. Ecumenism will only make it harder to keep a good reputation.

More verses on separation:

Concerning unbelievers

2 Cor 6:14-18 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

Titus 3:10-11 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

Concerning erring believers

2 Thessalonians 3:6-7 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us. For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;

2 Thessalonians 3:14-15 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.

IV. Be careful not to make the cross of Christ of none effect.

False gospels and ecumenical compromises do this.

1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

We do NOT need wise and cunning words of men. The gospel has power of itself.

1 Corinthians 4:15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.

Who is begotten through a false gospel? How does that go with truth?

V. Walk with the wise or the foolish?

Which is better? To walk in ministry with those that are true and clear and discerning on things concerning doctrine or to walk with those that do not understand?

Proverbs 13:20 – He that walketh with wise [men] shall be wise: but a companion of fools shall be destroyed.

VI. Some desire money and or success.

1 Timothy 6:3-6 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself. But godliness with contentment is great gain.

Could it be that some seek to “minister” for gain? What profit is it if they teach untruth? What good is it if we, in ecumenical ways, “help” them out? Or should we think these types can help us in any way?

1 Timothy 6:9-10 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

VII. What is your name worth?

Proverbs 22:1 A good name is rather to be chosen than great riches, and loving favour rather than silver and gold.

Ecclesiastes 10:1 Dead flies cause the ointment of the apothecary to send forth a stinking savour: so doth a little folly him that is in reputation for wisdom and honour.

VIII. Some things have a leavening effect.

Matthew 16:11-12 How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees? Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

Mark 8:15 And he charged them, saying, Take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and of the leaven of Herod.

Luke 12:1 In the mean time, when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon another, he began to say unto his disciples first of all, Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.

Luke 13:21 It is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.

Galatians 5:6-9 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love. Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth? This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you. A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

IX. It is not ONLY about the gospel.

Matthew 28:19-20 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

The disciples were charged with teaching all things that Christ had commanded them. The apostle Paul made sure that he was not considered a castaway. He certainly preached Christ and Christ crucified, but he also taught much about Christian living and did nothing to tarnish, in any way, his own testimony. Paul talked about running the race set before him. However, to do that one must lay aside weights that beset and slow progress. Compromise and gospel confusion does just that. Cooperation in ministry with those currently known for lordship salvation only slows you down. Why not be free and clear of all that mud?

At the bema seat do we think that God will just say, “well how many did you lead to salvation?” or will He try all of your works to see what sort they are? What sort do you suppose it to be if your witnessing was done through compromise, holding joint events with false teachers, taking recommendations from false teachers, sharing platforms with false teachers, etc?

God blesses the purity of the gospel, so why not serve it up with a backdrop of soundness and truth as much as possible? Remember, the goal isn’t just to see how many will be saved but to teach them and see all believers come to maturity.

Please everyone, before you rush ahead with gospel or ministry endeavors, pause to consider God’s will concerning the whole picture all things considered.

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The Perfect Sacrifice

The year has come and is almost gone. I have had time for few posts this year but thankfully work has been completed on the new book that I have been writing with my pastor, Tyler Leigeb. We set out about a year and a half ago to address, in written form, the current teaching in some grace circles that Jesus died a spiritual death on the cross in order to atone for sin.  Needless to say, this has been a tough task for multiple reasons. The subject matter touches many trickier passages and there are considerations to make concerning the fact that there is not agreement on this issue among believers.  In thinking about the miraculous virgin birth and the reality of Christ’s coming to earth, I was reminded again that He didn’t just come to be here. He came so that he could lay down the physical life that He took up. He did this sacrificially, innocent and without spot. That includes the fact that it was without any spiritual separation from God the Father. Thankfully God the Father was pleased in the Son. Today God can be pleased with you if you have been imputed Christ’s righteousness by faith based upon His shed blood, physical death, burial, and glorious resurrection.

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Special thanks for this book goes out to my wife Shannon for her help and support and Isaac Davis for his work on the cover.  Pastor Tyler provided material and set the direction for the heart behind the book. Our goal was for friends in the ministry to look to the Word itself to see if the things we see are there. If they are, then a decision needs to be made concerning this teaching. Either JDS is Biblical or it isn’t. I pray that people see the importance of the issue.

The book can currently be purchased here in print or in pdf format.

https://www.thebookpatch.com/BookStore/the-perfect-sacrifice/61b280a2-1193-4190-aab7-edbd08fef719?isbn=9781642542004

Merry Christmas!

Jim Floyd
For additional reading, please see my previous post concerning Robert Dean’s error.

https://standforthefaith.com/2013/06/23/beware-of-the-jesus-died-spiritually-heresy/
Also, please take time to listen to my Pastor’s sermons: “The Cup”, “Forsaken”, and “What Satisfied the Father”

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More to come.

 

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Evaluating the “Romans Road”

Growing up in Baptist circles it was common to hear talk of the “Romans Road” plan of salvation. I was taught this as a child and many still today have this concept of sharing Christ. So today let’s consider the traditional “Romans Road” and see if it measures up as a sound way to share the good news of Jesus Christ.

So the “Romans Road” starts off with telling people that they are lost.

Romans 3:23
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God
Romans 3:10
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

There is technically nothing wrong with this but I would start back with Adam and Eve and explain why mankind was under the penalty of sin. Then explain how each person is responsible.

Next the person is to be told that God through Jesus Christ provides the gift of eternal life. (Note that some hear also do include John 3:16 and don’t fully stick to the “Romans Road”.)

Rom 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 5:8
But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us

Here we see it mentioned that Christ died for us. That much is true. But note that the Romans Road leaves out the cross and shed blood not to mention other things like the burial and resurrection of Christ. I find this incredible given the fact that the surrounding verses in Romans touch upon the blood etc.

Next the person is to confess / pray while believing God for salvation.

Romans 10:9
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:13
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Using the two verses above is really where this falls apart. Even if you were to add in say I Cor 15:1-4 above, you would be giving a false way to receive salvation here. We must understand that Romans chapters 9 through 11 are written in regards to Paul’s desire and teaching concerning national Israel. Throughout he uses the word “saved” and “salvation” to both speak of God’s wrath on Israel nationally, yet also to the salvation spiritually of the “remnant” with the remnant being those of Israel that believe.

So for Romans 10:13 Paul is talking about calling upon the Lord for deliverance from wrath upon the nation. Before a person can do this however, they need to be one that believes for justification.

We must note that at this point the person leading another down the Romans Road has a number of options in telling the person how to receive salvation. For some they emphasize confessing Christ as Lord as in making Christ Lord of your life. Others take it the pray and ask Jesus into your “heart” route. Some take it in the willingness to confess and turn from sins route. Regardless, they are taking a passage and misapplying it due to misunderstanding the thought progression and context.

The other thing here is that the salvation sometimes spoken of in verses like 10:13 is not talking itself about eternal life.

The person sharing the Romans road is then to state that the result of salvation is peace with God and safety in Jesus Christ. But think of this, is there really safety and forgiveness in Jesus Christ if a lost person 1) didn’t really know the content of the gospel and 2) really didn’t understand how to receive it by faith alone in Christ alone?

Typically what happens is that the person witnessing shares some semblance of this with a person and then, if the unsaved person is willing, prompts the person to pray and ask Jesus to save them or pray and confess sins or pray and submit to Christ as Lord asking Him to save and help them live right. It may even be something of all of the above. I have seen all of that type of thing taught in churches throughout the years. It is all over the internet as well as far as “how” to receive Christ as Savior.

Romans 5:1
Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Romans 8:38-39
For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

But if the person remains unsaved because you messed up sharing the gospel and sharing the method of receiving eternal life then telling them that they are eternally secure at that point it only further pushes them into falsehood. This is because the person may think they are saved when indeed they have either been fed a cross-less gospel or a faith plus method of receiving eternal life. Either way that is a tragedy.

Let’s instead as believers tell people the truth. Let’s tell them that they are under the penalty of sin going back to Adam. Let’s say that Jesus Christ the Son of God took on flesh to die as a perfect sacrifice for mankind in order to appease God’s eternal wrath on sin. Let’s tells folks how Christ lived a sinless life, died on the cross shedding His blood, was buried, and rose again for our justification. Today He is seated in heaven having entered the holiest of holies by way of His perfect sacrifice. He remains there always making intercession for those who will receive His blood purchased salvation by faith.

In the comments section, feel free share what verses you would use to share the gospel or witness to a lost person. And bottom line, let’s not go down the traditional “Romans Road”.

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Christ Came for Us

Tonight on Christmas Eve 2017 Jesus Christ is on my mind. How awesome is it that He the very Son of God humbled himself to take upon himself human flesh to redeem us that were under the law? Now we serve a risen Savior.

Please consider the following passages:

Romans 8:3 For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh,

Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

Galatians 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

Romans 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

Hebrews 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

Praise the Lord for His love. Please trust Him today as your Savior. Remember, no works are needed as Christ paid it all. If you have trusted Christ as Savior then please share this good news with others, especially at Christmas. Let the trappings and business of Christmas with the presents and parties and food fade in comparison to absolute thrill of your faith in a risen Savior and your secure eternal future in heaven. Christ Came for us indeed and one day we will surely see Him face to face.

Merry Christmas
Jim Floyd

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